Found this Russia made stove at swap meet today (same guy that sold me Primis 107) Read this was kerosene stove from translated info from past thread. Did not want to light so I put some white gas in and USSUME this is correct? Is this a clone of Primus or Svea123 made 1988-1991? Had soft cap gasket. Soap bubble test on cap, PIP and spindle too. Will use with caution for a while. Looks to have strong flame and little use if any? Missing lid with sticker and key. Saw @presscall 2010 post with very fine parts view and others. thanks John. Will cook some noodle later if white gas fuel is correct. Daryl SoCal
Not an expert, but my opinion is that the Soviet Era stoves are copies of Bartel Jewell 34 and similar stoves. [Which may or may or have been inspired by Primus 71 of the 1930s]. Tooling from conquered German factories looted by Soviets and brought back to Motherland after the war. Svea 123 came on the market in 1955, so it would be a contemporary of the PT-2, Meva and other Iron Curtain stoves.
Its a great and very robust and reliable stove - not really a copy that resembles known stoves a lot (like the PT-1 copy of the Optimus 8 - or the SVEA 123 copy of the German Juwel 34 and so on). The heatshield make it useable in hot conditions which rarely is seen on similar stoves - a bit on the heavy side for a backpack trip - but certainly a trustworthy stove. The large fount gives it a long runtime and is one of the more robust founts among these smaller stoves. As you have figured already - it runs on CF or similar. Only known weakness to me - is the original pip in the SRV - Better change it to a good Viton pip. I used mine, which was provided by @gieorgijewski in a swap years ago, quite a lot - before my son claimed it… So now I am on the lookout for one myself - if anyone has one to swap. Have good use with it
On the issue of ‘a clone and if so what of?’ I’m inclined to credit the design as not a clone as such, though of a format we readily recognise, much as we would say an Optimus 00 is of the same format as a Primus 210 but isn’t a clone of it Yes, elements echo the Juwel, such as the steel tank and windshield, but it has a distinctly non-Juwel pattern burner equipped (unlike the Juwel) with an auto-pricker. The thick insulated heatshield too is a unique design.
Thanks, Folks, for additional information. Mine has non-metallic tank, self-pricker function and can see some 'white stuff' in thick heatshield. Windscreen and base cap are metal. I do see Juwel 33 in its case DNA. Have some PIP's from fettlebox to change out @Harder D. Soerensen. Stove works well and Svea 123R key help out. Daryl SoCal
Stove is just the tool... As user and colectioner many tools/stoves i can compare. Pt-2 imo can realise all my tasks with comfort of use, transport and storage. Dimensions like 1 person stove Posibilities for 2 or 3 persons. Durable - i.e. 5 years stored fueled stove works at once. @presscall - i never seen steel tank in pt-2 If We look on russian stoves - pt-1, pt-2, shmell family - set up very high level of real stoves possibilities and qualities. Pt-2 is the basic my stove. ‐------ It will be interesting compare 1 to 1 with svea 123 times to boiling , fuel consumption etc. Juwell 34 primus 71 class, 8-r - are too small to be universal stove Optimus 111, shmells and similar - are too heavy and to big. Pt 2 is in the middle - small like the first - powerfull like the second.
@Daryl that is one of the stoves on my list haha...where in the world you find these in a market is beyond me....I want one of these....dammit Looks cool...if you need anything translated the wife is Slovak and reads Russian. I think you got the heat shield upside down in the ramen photo...and I believe the heat shield is/has asbestos as a thermal shield inside it. And...the three I have seen had the burner canted off center like yours...and some are not canted off. makes me wonder if the mill was off a few degrees when they made them. They work best on coleman fuel, but I have dumped gasoline out of them when I saw them in europe.
in original - angle valve fuel cap is 90 degree and "only then" burner is proper symetric mounted Aleks S - (missed in action) - explain here
@gieorgijewski AHAAA! Had my wife translate....so that burner has to be installed at the correct degree to stand upright! INTERESTING!
in a tank was mounting burner with proper valve to fuel cap - 90 degree angle - then was setting up to the proper vertical position
@Daryl you may want to watch that video @gieorgijewski linked...interesting at this point...5:50 minute mark
@Evan Miller thank you, did copy one a while back and put it to use. @Remus1956 @gieorgijewski Thanks for the comments and video. Think I have flipped the heat shield over, will check. Thanks for the translation. My stem is not at 90 degrees with cap and is cocked to one side. Will see if wrench will fix, do not really want to burn the thing up with torch. Always good to learn something new. Is a fine stove and just a tad bigger than Svea 123R.
I have a PT-2 that also has the burner slightly tilted more or less like Daryl's. Thought until now that it had had some sort of mishap. Good to know it's corrected by adjusting it according to the valve and fuel cap. Thinking of firing mine up to test if it's more powerful than the Svea. Would be great if it had more power so it would be more suited for melting snow during winter.
